Transcript of Dr. Steven Greer's Interview
on Coast to Coast AM Radio with George Noory

October 28/29, 2004

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GN: Welcome back to Coast to Coast, I'm George Noory with Dr. Steven Greer. Steven, I think if Nikola Tesla were still alive, we might have this free energy somewhere out there, don't you think?

SG: Well, of course, and when Nikola Tesla was alive he had, I'm quite certain, one of these systems and it was not allowed out. Then, you know, Dr. Bearden and I have put together materials and all the way back to the twenties, literally, where people had enormously important electromagnetic system breakthroughs that could have, back then, replaced the need for oil and fossil fuels. But of course, you can't meter it! And I think it was J. P. Morgan that said "Well, I don't want anything you can't put a meter on and charge for."

GN: Exactly! Exactly.

SG: So, you know, we have the world of our own creation, either by benign neglect, or a lack of courage, or a lack of leadership, or whatever it is, or just good old fashioned human greed, but we're at the point now in our civilization's evolution that we're going to have to confront these issues and unfortunately, we're the generation that's had this hot potato finally land in our lap and we're going to have to deal with it.

GN: If world economies hinge on , let's say the source of income from energy, would we as a world still be prepared to pay money for it? Maybe the same kind of money we're paying now, if it were just simply an alternative fuel? Or do you think it really should be almost free?

SG: Well, it - it will be free in the sense that the device itself - for example, the ones that we have seen, like the one that we saw about a year and a half ago that got hijacked, that that we're still trying to get back on track and back into this country, that was one that we literally could pick up, take out, put on a sidewalk and operate. It was running hundreds of watts of power from the - running real utilities such as fans and stereos and light bulbs and what have you. Now, obviously, there's no power to meter, but the device itself, of course, would sell for something. But the enormous multitrillion dollar supply line of fuel, as it were, or generated power that's been distributed from power plants - yes, that would become redundant and unnecessary. But I remind people that computers have replaced typewriters, cars replaced horse and buggies. It is a big issue, but it's not insurmountable. I think that it's a matter of people deciding that this has to happen and wisely phasing it in. Unfortunately - now this is how I look at it. A lot of people say, "God, the stuff you talk about is very futuristic." I said, "No, it's not. This is stuff that should have been disclosed in the fifties..."

GN: Sure.

SG: ...when I was born, and in fact, we're about a half a century off the natural evolutionary trajectory that our civilization should have taken. And that's why we're now seeing so much damage in the environment, so much unrest in our civilization, and this kind of chaos, and madness if you will, is only going to get worse until we finally accept the fact that this kind of serious change has to be managed well, managed wisely, introduced compassionately and done in a way that is as least disruptive as possible. But you see the longer we wait, the less likely it'll be that we can have an easy transition. I think at this point, the "easy" is gone. It's going to either be hard or catastrophic and we have to choose if we want to fritter away more of our time, as to whether we want it to end up catastrophic. So, the longer we wait, the more difficult it will be and by the way, you've asked this question of why so many of these folks have come forward. They know that these covert projects, many of these military and corporate people are sitting on these sorts of technologies, and I had one man who's old enough to be my father or grandfather said, "You know, I honestly.." (This is what he said.) "I honestly thought this would have all been out to the public, disclosed in the sixties." And I looked at him and I -

GN: And working, probably!

SG: Yes, and as each decade went by, he became more and more appalled that we were still digging this big hole that we found ourselves in with the oil wars and everything else. So, it is a serious issue and it's not mythological that these technologies have existed. There's strong scientific documents and data related to it, and people have always said, "Well, how did you get from UFO's to energy?" and I said, "Well, one of the central reasons for the secrecy around UFOs is because the energy and propulsion systems behind them are obviously not using fossil fuels or nuclear power. They're using entirely new and revolutionary areas of physics that would create a rose garden of a world on this planet, if we could use them peacefully, and see, this is where I think ultimately it is a serious spiritual crisis for humanity, because these technologies are going to have to be used peacefully and - or they're going to be destructive like any other new technology and yet, if we don't let them out, we're going to destroy ourselves with the current technologies. So we're in a situation where, one way or another, we as a people are going to have to decide to choose to live together in peace and put together the international means to have an enforceable peace. Unfortunately, I think for sometime it's going to be the peace of chained dogs.

GN: Well, what's going to happen -

SG: So much of humanity wants to rip each other's throats out over the most silly things, but -

GN: It's going to be a worldwide calamity that gets us all back together, that's the sad part. You know, today -

SG: [laughs] Yes, humans don't learn too easily, do they?

GN: You know, today, (and I'm not a proponent of vaccines) and people - I've gotten some e-mails from people who say, "If a friend of mine dies because of what you've said about a vaccine, I'm going to come get you," and I keep saying, "Wait a minute! I haven't told one person not to get a shot. Not one."

SG: Right.

GN: I tell people I don't get one. I don't get a flu shot, and you can't get one now anyway if you wanted to.

SG: If you wanted it, yeah.

GN: They said today, some expert said, that they project a billion people on this planet could die because of the flu and I'm looking at that and saying, that's one sixth of the world's population. That can't be! There's got to be some sinister force out there that wants to remove a billion people from this planet because I can't see the flu doing it. I don't believe it!

SG: Well, the number I've actually heard is four billion, but - and this gets into some things that most people don't want us to go into.

GN: Yeah, let's stick to energy and UFOs for now.

SG: Okay, but the fact is that there are folks who have agendas that are really crazy. I mean, they're sort of end-of-the-world, eschatological, kooky things, and there's some people who feel like, gee, you know, unless we have something like that happen, we won't have Christ return on a flying saucer, or whatever it is. So the problem is that there is a nexus of misperceptions and, if you can use the word ignorance or what have you, and superstitions, that have gotten us into the current situation. It's only going to be through a degree of knowledge and enlightenment and reason and ...

GN: and tragedy!

SG: ..genuine, in my opinion, genuine spirituality as opposed to religiosity, because of what I have found is that there's an inverse relationship between religiosity and spirituality, unfortunately.

GN: Do you believe in end times?

SG: Well, I think that every day is an end time. I mean, I think that we are in a cycle. Here's what I think. I think that we are at the end of a very long cycle in human evolution and an opening of another, so when people say, "Oh, it's the end of the world!" Well it's the end of one era of our civilization and the opening of another whole period.

GN: I believe that. I agree with that.

SG: And that's where we are and we're at this critical sort of fulcrum, this point where it's all tipping and we have to, as it were, sort of be midwives, if you will, of this sort of new baby that's coming forward, which I think is going to be a civilization, as I see it, that will exist for hundreds of thousands of years peacefully, and that we really will go out into space and we will become a truly enlightened people on this planet over the next thousands of years. But we're also the generation that are the custodians of sort of putting to bed this old time that's gasping and trying to die. So we have to do both with compassion - and I know I'm using some medical analogies here, but I'm a doctor, what can I do? But, I think that we have to look at it that way and we have to with wisdom and some compassion and love, see how to let the one go out as quietly as possible - it's not going to be too quiet - but also, not take our eye off the ball. With all the stuff that people talk about that's very fearsome and all the horrible things going on, what I see, and this is the vision I see, are technologies and knowledge coming together where this Earth really could be so beautiful, where there would be no want and poverty, and no pollution and a sustainable civilization that could stretch thousands of years into the future and go out into space with these technologies. You know, Ben Rich, the head of Lockheed Skunkworks, told us before he died that we already had locked away in super secret projects at Lockheed, technologies that would take us amongst the stars faster than the speed of light, but he said "it would take an act of God to bring them out to benefit humanity," and he said it with great sadness. So now, what I see is that that eventually will happen and we're the generation that at the one hand, are kind of have one foot in this old time that's sort of dying - you can call it the end time in that sense - but also, we have a foot and our vision is stretching over to this other time that really, we're moving towards very quickly and it's really unfolding like a flower all around us in many, many ways. So, I have a very long term optimistic view of this, but also I'm not a "pollyanna" about it. I think people have to pull together, work together, and try to make this happen because it isn't going to happen magically. It's going to happen by people doing the hard work together.

GN: Right, you know, before you fix the road, you're going to lose some tires in those potholes.

SG: Yeah, that's right and -

GN: I mean, that's what's going to happen to us -

SG: - and we've lost some tires, unfortunately.

GN: - and I think there's many more to occur with that.

SG: Yes, that's very much so.

GN: You know, people are concerned really about a couple of things, Steven, when it comes to energy and that is their homes ...

SG: Yes.

GN: ...and their cars, and both of which to me would seem to be very easy to fix. I mean, I think we can go to some alternative fuel for a car. They're just holding back on that. And I also see the day (I hope) where every home will have its own self-contained unit, don't you?

SG: Well, the ones that we have seen, literally could do that. In fact, the one that we're going to be pursuing very quickly here that's putting out over a hundred kilowatts is too large for a home, but it could be scaled down so you could have a home sized unit so that every home would have its own power source. You wouldn't have transmission lines that are so ugly.

GN: Where would you put it? In the back of the house or something like that? Outside?

SG: Each system is different. This particular system could actually be in your basement and wouldn't have to be connected to the outdoor environment at all, and it's really quite robust. Others that I've seen would have to be somehow connected to the outdoors. There are different types, but the solutions are there and they're coming. SEAS - - is our corporate website and I encourage anyone who's an inventor out there who believes they have a significant breakthrough to contact us because I will do everything in my power, once we test and replicate a system and prove that it's legitimate to bring it out and you know, people say "Well, won't you be threatened?" I say, "Well, I've been threatened for fourteen years," and I said, "They're going to have to take me out in a coffin, quite frankly, to get me to stop doing what I'm doing." And I mean that, and everyone who knows me knows I'm sincere in that regard. So, anyone who has this should approach us through the corporate website, which is But, the car and the propulsion systems for cars, you can have power packs based on these same type of technologies that will be quite adequate where, forget a replacement fuel, you won't have any fuel at all and it will run the car.

GN: What works on it? Is it like a magnet, or what happens?

SG: Basically, well, there are various approaches you know, and if you look at - Dr. Bearden is so brilliant. He has a book out that came out last year that's about a thousand pages called "Energy from the Vacuum." I highly recommend it to people who want to get into this seriously. But there are some eighteen or nineteen different ways to extract this free energy from the quantum vacuum, or zero point energy field, that have happened over the years. Unfortunately, most of those systems either get confiscated, they're lost to posterity, the inventors are either assassinated or threatened -

GN: Are they bought off in some cases?

SG: Yeah, most of them are bought off. I mean, I have spoken to a man - I have a witness who had his whole career with Bell Labs. He said that while he was there, there were twenty-eight or twenty-nine of these really advanced systems from just civilian inventors that his corporation had bought up and put on a black shelf.

GN: Just give them a check and they're done.

SG: Yes. And, of course, this has been going on for a long time and if they are approached and told, sort of hinted at, this sort of reprisals and threats if they don't cooperate and the enormous wealth they'll have if they agree to sell out and let it be shelved. Now what I'm telling inventors is don't do that! We need for them to be -

GN: That's tempting for them, isn't it?

SG: Of course, it's tempting and I know guys who have done it, quite frankly, personally know guys who have done it. What I've said to people is that, if someone offered me a hundred billion dollars, I'd show them the door and say I'm not interested. We're interested in getting this information...

GN: Oh, you wouldn't take a check for a hundred billion dollars, Steven?

SG: No, I would not.

GN: You're one of the last ones, then.

SG: I absolutely would not.

GN: I wonder how many people would -

SG: Use a voice analyzer on me, I absolutely wouldn't, absolutely not.-

GN: Let's put the voice analyzer on you, all right?

SG: Hook me up to a lie detector. No amount of money, and no amount of threats. And, I told a major news anchor of one of the big networks when I was talking to him about that. He says, "If you get one of these and it has been vetted by some of your university contacts, I'll have you on the show," and he says, "But, you know, you might - the government might hit you with one of those orders, national security orders, saying don't do it," and I said, "Oh, yeah? Well, be prepared for me to tear it up in front of however many million people you get watching the show. I will tear it up.

GN: What will it take to get - to really get - this alternative energy up and running, in homes, in cars, ready to go?

SG: Well, I think that there's a whole nexus of problems. First of all, you have to have a legitimate system, that is built, that hasn't disappeared or been - what I call the "Humpty Dumpty" syndrome, where it's fallen apart and you can't get it. So, once we find one like that where the inventor is willing to go the distance and cooperate, or at least hand it off and get it out to the public, the first thing we have to do is get it scientifically replicated at multiple settings where it's proven, where the scientific and financial and the mass media understand that this is not a hoax or snake oil. You've got to do your due diligence, you've got to be -

GN: Sure.

SG: - scientific. Once that's done, our intention is to do a massive disclosure of the technology, I mean, that would make the Disclosure Project of 2001 look like a rounding error, and we will do that, so the public knows it exists and then put it into a rapid R & D [research and development] cycle to get it perfected and out to the public. I'm working with a company now that has done very high tech and quick turnarounds where within six to nine months, they can take a prototype and get it to where it's being churned out by the thousands or even millions of units. So this is doable, but you first have to have a legitimate system, get the bugs out of it, get it independently vetted and reproducible so that there's no question that it's legitimate, and then you can move it over into these stages where it's out to the public. But, long before they would be sold to the public, we would want to have the public informed. I mean, if I'm welcome back on this show, I'd come back on your show having already had you come out and see it operate yourself. I'd get on ABC, I'd get whatever, and say "Look, the people need to know there is light at the end of the tunnel and here's the proof of it." So far, we have not gotten anything that I feel is robust enough to put out in front of the mass public in that way. But we think it is not that far off. There are some very promising technologies we're looking at this fall and I'm cautiously optimistic that that'll happen. I would have liked to have had it happen already. But hey, I can't control all those things. There are a lot of things that have interfered with that progress. But, ultimately, I think the strongest way to make sure these technologies are known is once you have them secured and replicated in safe places, is to have millions and millions of people around the world know it exists because the government at that point, or these covert groups, will not be able to suppress it. Once people know it exists, they're going to want to have it.

GN: Absolutely.

SG: The marketplace - you know what? Alan Greenspan's right hand economist told me back a few years ago when we were talking about this, that, she said, "You know, Dr. Greer. The market will take care of it. If you can get it out there and get it proven, it will simply go -

GN: Sure.

SG: - at that point." But you know, getting to that point is difficult. Usually these systems get intercepted before they get mass public awareness around them, and so what we want to do is quickly go from its identification and verification scientifically to massive public awareness and your listeners, I think would be key in doing that because with the internet and radio and other things, the information can circle the globe very quickly.

GN: How did Disclosure evolve from the UFO coverup to zero point energy and energy. How did that transition occur?

SG: I was following the new energy area because it involves, of course, the UFO issue. When 9-11 happened, I made a phone call to, of course, my wife and to my daughter, who was in D.C to try to get her out of the city, and the third call was to my military advisor and my science advisor and I basically talked to them. I said, "You know what? This is the sign we're going to have to move into the energy area because that's what this is all about." And I'm saying that. It's sort of a chilling thing, but that's literally the conversation I had on 9-11 and within a month, we had formed and we have been, of course, looking diligently and testing systems since then because we knew that the secrecy behind the UFOs was largely (not totally, I mean there were religious and other reasons), but largely centered around economics, geopolitical power and energy and that we had just gone too far down the path of keeping these things secret, and our group said, "Look. Now we've got to move into this direction."

GN: All right, stay with us, Steven. We're going to come right back for one more hour. We'll open up the phone lines to give you an opportunity to talk with Dr. Steven Greer and also, one thing I want to ask you, Steven, when we come back, because you might know. So many people are reporting seeing this huge triangular shaped object. They're all over the place. Many of them are near military bases. I want to get your take on that. I've never been able to ask you that. I'm George Noory. Back in a moment with you and Dr. Steven Greer, right here on Coast to Coast A.M.

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GN: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. I'm George Noory with Steven Greer. Steven, a question I've always wanted to ask you. So many people call this program, and Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center, about these huge triangular shaped objects that they seem to see.

SG: Right.

GN: Obviously, they're something, but what are they, I do not know. Do you get reports from some of the people in the Disclosure Project what they might be?

SG: Yes. There are actually several categories of those. There are a number of human made prototypes that are very advanced, sort of electrogravitic (antigravity, if you will) propulsion systems - and they've been up being tested for many, many years - that are triangular in shape or delta, sort of, in shape. Some are chevrons. There are also extraterrestrial vehicles that are similar - of course, that's where they got the idea, from them - and that also have a similar shape. As you know, we have gone on expeditions all over the world, to the volcano down near Mexico City, I think southeast of Mexico City - Popocatepetl - and also around Belgium and the eastern part of Belgium, there near Eupen, where many of these huge triangular objects were seen and we sent our own team there. I was head of this team and went there and had rather close encounters with them and in fact, were able to signal with them with lights for up to twenty minutes at one point where they were circling over just a few thousand feet from us and not very high. Large, about three football fields on each side of this enormous triangle, obviously under intelligent control. So we've had some extraordinary close encounters with those objects and actually there's some excellent accounts of that. There's a book (the first book we put out was called "Extraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence and Implications", and people can get that at where we go through the kind of craft that we've encountered and they run the gamut from these enormous triangular objects to very small probes that are the size of a basketball that have flown right into our research groups and zipped back out, to traditionally sort of spherical and disc shaped objects. So, I think that people have to keep in mind that anything that's been observed that's an unusual phenomenon like this and that's of extraterrestrial origin that our aerospace, very classified corporate and military projects have worked at replicating the air form, if you will, or ...

GN: Sure.

SG:...shape as well as the propulsion systems. Now, of course, I think the one is much more advanced than the other. The extraterrestrial vehicles are much more advanced, but my understanding is that there have been such enormous breakthroughs since the forties and fifties, when those projects started, up to today that some of the technologies that we have in these classified projects really do look like things out of Star Trek or what have you and it is a very serious R & D effort that's been going on. Of course, our tax - I tell people, our tax dollars hard at work. At some point, I do hope that we get some benefit from them.

GN: They are hard at work, but we don't know what they're doing.

SG: Right. Exactly. Back in '94, when I was meeting with folks at the Senate Appropriations Committee they said upwards of a hundred billion dollars a year back then was going into these sort of illegal and unaccountable shadowy projects with all the creative accounting, and I was astonished at that number and this was, of course, this man I mentioned before had a subpoena power and top secret clearance and he says, "We just can't control it." He says, "It's hidden in so many places, it's so much what have you going on and there are so many issues that folks up there on the Hill are dealing with that these things just go on and on and on, like the Energizer Bunny." No one really has a good handle on it and it just is off and running.

GN: Good point. To the phones we go. You ready, Steven?

SG: Yes, sure.

GN: Let's go to our first time caller line. You're on Coast to Coast with Dr. Steven Greer. Hi there.

Caller [male]: Hi.

GN: Yeah. Welcome to the program.

Caller: Thanks, George, I want to say hi to you. I've really been enjoying your show the last couple of months. A friend of mine in Indiana turned me on to it and within ten days, I couldn't believe it, you actually brought up the black triangles and just this summer, I remembered that I'd seen one in 1996 in Michigan and I don't know what was stranger - seeing it, or the fact that I didn't think about it for seven years.

GN: Well, I'll tell you, it's been around for at least that long. I remember, Steven, some police officers in Millstat, Illinois right around that time period also witnessed it, but that was near Scott Air Force Base, so here again, they're near military bases.

SG: Right, but at the same time, there's a large number of reports in areas that aren't near military bases and that are centered around unstable seismic areas, areas where there's a lot of volcanic activity. We have found that, in fact, around the Pacific Ring of Fire, wherever there have been significant eruptions of volcanoes, and we reported this back in the early nineties, that there have been very serious and well documented sightings of a variety of these craft, including the large triangular ones, that appear to be monitoring and looking into whatever it is that they're concerned about regarding the instability around the Pacific Rim and the Pacific Ring of Fire (or so-called Pacific Ring of Fire where all the volcanoes are) and seismic areas there and this has been reported all over the world and not just around the Pacific Basin, but also in Europe and other places.

GN: But they're huge! I mean, they're absolutely huge!

SG: Yes, and what's interesting, the ones that we encountered in of them came over us at Henri-Chappell down out of a cloud and just one corner of it that dipped down was so enormous and a light that was at one end of it looked as if it was larger than a full moon as it was descending on us and some of the gendarmes that we interviewed and spoke with said that one of these objects was over a little town near Henri-Chappell in Eastern Belgium and it was hovering right above the town's steeple and at one point - they left this out of the official reports because they were afraid of being ridiculed - this enormous object that was three football fields long on each side of this enormous triangle, very silent, maybe a slight transformer humming sound which is what I've heard from them, suddenly collapsed into what looked like a red pulsing ball, a plasmalike ball of of energy and then shot straight up out into space. I have heard that report and our groups have seen this sort of phenomenon before, where you have something like, well, what has happened to it? It has shifted, what, out of dimension, or into some other energy form? Here is this massive structured craft that suddenly appears to just collapse into this pulsing point of energy and then flies out into space. So, that's the sort of - these things are so fascinating and by the way, this is how I really got hooked on this whole thing because when I was a child, as I mentioned, when I was eight or nine years old, I saw one of these objects in broad daylight. It was more of a disc-shaped object, silently hovering and some boys and I in the neighborhood saw it. Of course, my family said "Oh,yes. Well it's the imagination of a little boy." But it stuck with me, and so this caller - many people have seen these objects and you never forget it when you've seen one...

GN: No.

SG: ...particularly if it's been at fairly close range.

GN: I think Art and Ramona saw one of the big ones, right?

SG: Yes.

GN: Yes. Next up, let's go to our Wild Card Line. You're on Coast to Coast. Hi there.

Caller [female]: Hi, this is Jenny.

GN: Hi, Jenny. Where are you?

Caller: I'm calling from Carlisle, Pennsylvania at a truck stop. We just pulled off the fuel island.

GN: Well, welcome to the program and go ahead. The stage is yours.

Caller: Okay. I have a question. I have been following Steven Greer and Michael Tsarion and David Icke's work.

GN: Okay.

Caller: and - I'm sorry?

GN: Yeah, go ahead.

Caller: Oh, and my question is - okay, first let me say a comment. I understand that what they're saying is that the reptilian aliens are the ones kind of controlling some of the secret societies which are trying to bring forth this new world order.

GN: Well, that's definitely what David Icke believes, for example.

SG: I don't think that's the case at all, but anyway, go ahead.

Caller: Oh! Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Well then, I misunderstood, but my question was, if there is some kind of negative alien force behind some of the things that are going on that are a little more shady, I was just curious why? What would motivate the aliens to want to bring forth like a one world government, New World Order type thing? I can understand humans, you know, motives, but what would the aliens gain from that? Why are they doing it?

SG: Well, of course, she's asking me this question so I have to answer it in - with the statement that the question is based on facts not in evidence. My own assessment of this is as follows. There's a lot of mythology around this subject. I personally don't see that there's any evidence at all that there's some sort of a group of extraterrestrial lifeforms that are calling the shots at all. Now, we have had interaction with various extraterrestrial civilizations and my understanding, from people I have on the inside, there are several dozen, maybe upwards of up in the fifty to seventy range of different star systems with people that have been documented over the decades. However, I think that they're more concerned with our own ability to cause trouble not only here, but out in space as we develop the ability to go out in space with weapons. There's no evidence, in my opinion, that there's hostile intent in the least from these civilizations, and if that were so, we'd have known about it a long time ago. Now, there are reports of different strange looking creatures and I'm going to step into an area here that sounds really science fiction, but I can't ignore it because I have multiple different corroborating people who've worked in facilities where this stuff's going on, where we have engaged in really extraordinary genetic experiments and have come up with things that are called PLF's, and this a Programmed Life Form. Now, Programmed Life Form is a human created thing that looks alien, because it's really quite bizarre, but it's not extraterrestrial. Now, people look at it and they go, "Well, this was what was going on in the Four Corners area around Dulce" [New Mexico]. There's a facility that's underground in England that I have a couple of people who've worked in and who have recounted this and they have seen these sort of creatures, but they are not of extraterrestrial origin. They're of human manufacture. Now, if you can imagine what's gone on covertly from the forties to today in the area of antigravity and energy generation and of the ability to electronically "dematerialize and re-materialize" objects, all this has been going on in the human domain. The similar level of technology advancement has occurred in the biological and genetic area. Don't think that whatever was Dolly the sheep was the first thing we've ever cloned or experimented with. So there have been extraordinary projects going on within these same sort of mad scientist covert programs dealing with this stuff and it has been used to give people the impression that those things are "aliens." Now, the whole thing gets very complex because what I believe is that the majority of what people have been told, and maybe have seen, is really a human created smoke screen, a sort of a - it's like a - you know, the Wizard of Oz with the old man behind the curtain...

GN: Yes.

SG:...pulling all the strings and all that. I think there's a big Wizard of Oz phenomenon going on and so, in a sense, I guess I'm a terrible skeptic about a lot of the theories and ideas that are out there because the folks I have dealt with, personally, have indicated that there is an enormous capability within these classified projects to "hoax" an alien presence, when it's actually manmade, etc., and so on, and I think that we have to be very careful, therefore, about what kind of elaborate, you know, sort of ideas we get because I think there are people who would like us to believe that there's a "threat from outer space" because, you know, look. The one trillion dollar a year military expenditure going on the planet today in 2004, could be grown to a two or three or four trillion dollar a year or more, if we could stampede the Earth's people into thinking there's a threat out there that we need to fight. So, I'm very, very conservative about those kinds of ideas, simply because I think there's too many suspicious characters who would benefit from that kind of fear-mongering and what have you. So, personally, I don't think that's happening at all and - now there are people with agendas for a type of New Order in the world that's very dominant and militaristic. My own view is that we do need a new order in the world, but it's not that order [laughs]. Do we need a new world order? Yeah, but not the one that is sort of dominated that way. But the whole question about whether there's some sort of an extraterrestrial presence that's forcing this agenda, I'm rather skeptical of. My own experience with the phenomenon, and with in fact the ETs, is that they're really waiting for us to grow up and begin to live in a civilized fashion on this Earth and I think at that point, we would be welcomed out in space with open arms. I think up until then, we're going to be contained. I have a guy who was with the National Security Agency who told me we've been tossed back like a bad penny a few times and have had some of our satellite systems shut down because we have tried to put weapons systems out in space and, in fact, have targeted some of these extraterrestrial vehicles with them. So, until we learn to treat things we don't understand with a little more respect and without being so quick to shoot first and ask questions later, I think that we're going to be sort of viewed as a potential wild card, if you will, out there in the universe, and I think just as human civilization has tried to contain certain rogue elements that have gotten out of control, I think that at this point, we're being watched to be sure that WE don't get out of control because if you were to look at the course of the human race over the last hundred years, you go from horse-and-buggies to space travel with these enormously powerful technologies and yet we're still murdering each other and oh, fighting over the craziest things. I lived in the Middle East, by the way, for three years where people who are blood brothers are murdering each other and they basically all believe in the same God, so sit down and be happy. But the fact is that kind of consciousness of division and "us verses them" is exploited, I believe, by people who benefit from the machinery of war. We have to be very careful of that and that's why I think a lot of those ideas that get put out there are being seeded into our subculture and our awareness for the purpose of eventually rolling out a false threat from outer space to try to unite human civilization and to also aggrandize the usual suspects in the corporate and military-industrial complex.

GN: You know, Steven, if we were genetically altered, something went wrong because know.

SG: [laughs] A work in progress, yes!

GN: I mean, what a planet, where they just constantly kill and kill and kill. I mean, we had sixteen thousand murders in this country last year.

SG: Right. Oh, yeah. I'm an emergency doctor and when I was in North Carolina, we were in the county with the highest murder rate in the state, so it was no picnic.

GN: That's another show all by itself, isn't it.

SG: Oh, my God! I could tell you - yes, indeed.

GN: Oh, my. Let's go to our Wild Card Line. Welcome to Coast to Coast. You are on the air with us. Hi there.

Caller [male]: Hi.

GN: Yeah. Go ahead, Sir.

Caller: I'd like to ask him if he thinks we'll be visited by ETs in large numbers in the future.

GN: Ah! Almost like "Independence Day", Steven? Could that happen?

SG: Well, I actually see it in another way, not like "Independence Day", in sort of an invasion scenario, but I do believe - there are several scenarios. If you read the paper I did in 1991 called "The Comprehensive Assessment of the UFO and ET Issue", and this paper actually got passed around all through all the aerospace industry and the CIA. That's kind of how I got pushed into that arena and this is in the first book that I mentioned, Extraterrestrial Contact that you can get at the website, and in that I - what became very clear to us when we started analyzing this back in the early nineties, is that the scenario could happen under a few conditions. Number one, if there was a serious geophysical collapse, some sort of enormous Earth change or something that happened, I believe we'll see it. If there was a thermonuclear war that was so serious and such a large launch that it would threaten the viability of Earth as a biosphere for the evolution of higher intelligent life forms, my understanding is that there would be a massive interception and that that would be stopped. Now, after I made that assessment, I found out from people who had been with the Atomic Energy Commission in the military, that in fact, when we went very close to a DEFCON [Defense Condition] level of that situation, there were a few close calls back during the Cold War that in fact there were events that happened that demonstrated to our National Military command structure that these extraterrestrial vehicles could shut down the ability to launch large numbers of intercontinental ballistic missiles. So I think there are very few situations where you'd see this kind of large scale intervention. One would be an enormously, either manmade or natural catastrophe which of course, may be part and parcel of the same thing if we end up melting both our polar ice caps and putting the whole world's equilibrium further out of balance. Or if there was a massive manmade war that would be very destructive. I think that - my own opinion about this, and this is my assessment from studying this for most of my life, is that none of these extraterrestrial civilizations are hostile. They're concerned about our hostility and our ability to be incredibly self-destructive, and yet, they view humanity as having great promise and the Earth as having great promise, and yes, they may have had an ancient connection to the Earth and to the human race.

GN: I wish they would step in and bail us out sometime, Steven. We'll be back with you in a minute. I want to ask you about the Dan Burisch case when we come back and also, we'll take more phone calls. Final segment, right here on Coast to Coast A.M.

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GN: Steven Greer, can you react at all? Do you have any input into the Dan Burisch story which is bizarre as it comes? His mother called us last week and she's concerned, claiming that she hasn't heard from him in a long, long time. Are you familiar at all, Steven, with this case?

SG: Not that well. Not well enough to really comment on it...

GN: Okay, let's go back to the calls. Let's go to our West of the Rockies line, you're on with Dr. Steven Greer. Hi there. [pause] Hello? Going once ...

Caller: Just a second, I think my phone just ran out of -

GN: Okay, because you've been waiting so long, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here.

Caller [male]: Okay.

GN: You okay?

Caller: Uh - yeah, I got a landline here.

GN: [laughs] Live radio...

Caller: I was listening, I guess it was two months ago now...

GN: Uh huh.

Caller: your guest.... I got the name down as Dr. Roger Leir...

GN: Yeah.

Caller: ...he claimed to have artifacts from UFOs, and when he was describing them, he said one sentence that really hit me. "The isotopic distribution was extraordinary." Well, I have found that same sentence in a book I want to tell you about, "Nuclear Transmutation: - "

GN: Hmm.

Caller: The Reality of Cold Fusion," by Tadahiko Mizuno.

SG: Right, I'm familiar with it.

Caller: Now, Mizuno and his colleagues were doing some experiments with a gold cathode inside the - inside the glass thing, passing electricity through the anode and the cathode...

GN: Right.

Caller: ...and the gold cathode turned black and the stuff that was black fell to the bottom of the cell. The stuff was iron is what it is. Now, iron comes in four different masses. Iron 56 amounts to 91.72% of the sample and you'll find the same amount, the same percentage, in iron taken from any place on Earth.

GN: So, what's your point, Sir?

Caller: Well, the iron that he got as a result of this electrolysis - the iron 57 was only, usually only 2%, but 45% was iron 56.

GN: I know, but you're losing me. What's your point?

Caller: This is a result of electrolysis causing nuclear reaction.

SG: Right, and what you're really talking about, and if I can comment on this -

GN: Yeah, go ahead, Steven.

SG: there are a number of technologies that have been around for quite some time, and not just extraterrestrial, but one of the problems with people saying "I have something that's from outer space, or extraterrestrial, you can't make that assessment unless you know what the deep covert capabilities are. Now, we know that there have been technologies using plasma type energies that have been able to alter nuclear structures, literally. I mean, it sounds mythological. Transmutation of the elements have occurred. In fact, I'm working with an inventor now who does not want us to talk about this at all, so I can't even describe the type of system he has, but in his process, he is getting elements that were not there from the intake material because of this same kind of effect. So that is something that does occur with these sort of "new energy" type physics, and it's not surprising, of course, that people have come across that in these new energy areas, but also certainly anything that would be UFO related, whether it's a manmade propulsion and energy system or one that's actually from outer space. But, that is a phenomenon that's been reported in a number of places in which we have personally - I have personally seen a reactor (not a nuclear reactor by the way) that does cause that to happen in the course of its process and so, I think that it is understood how it happens. It's a rather esoteric area of nuclear physics, but it does occur as does the "cold fusion" phenomenon occur.

GN: Okay. East of the Rockies, you're on with Dr. Steven Greer. Your turn. Hi.

Caller [male]: Hey there. I've ... there was so much covered here. I wrote down a list of four to five or six things and I just have to comment on your work and digress. You know you said "work in progress", work in digress, which leads us maybe to turning gold into iron, does it not? Can I just run through these things and then I'll get to maybe the meat of it?

GN: Really quickly. We have lots of people on the line here.

Caller: It's whatever you want to do. Whether you want to do this thing of Yucca Valley and the Tesla circular building up there, the military-industrial complex, the Mother Nature/Father Time, you know, Betty and Barney Hill, ending of Project Blue Book leading to the attention to the crop circles and all kinds of things. I've put a star by here and this is just an ignorant layman's thing about, oh, I don't know if I need an astrophysicist or a space travel thing, but let's just say the way the tank treads move a tank along the ground in their oblong - you know, circular, you know, oblong circular tire appearance.

GN: Sure.

Caller: Let's just say the way that electricity moves, moving the electron from, what is it, from molecule to molecule, the outer circle of the atom and/or molecule, what if, you know, an adequate quantity being burst of these electrons from, you know, could just be shot forward and we could move through space on an astro tank tread, if you will, as in a treadmill in space, and then it would just turn under and be, you know, those electrons replaced with the oncoming lacking atoms, molecules, and it's just a far out concept without any basis of knowledge but yet, you know, what if?

SG: Well, actually, what's happening with actual space travel are systems that, through very advanced physics and resonance frequency, causes a quantum shift across the light barrier, and basically - if you see a car driving around that has XINGPT on it (Crossing Point), that's my car, and it refers to everything resonating beyond the velocity of light. But you don't go through the light barrier incrementally and you're not going to travel through space with electrons or ions because it's at the speed of light or below, it's too slow. These systems actually allow for an entire craft or an object to alter its form - and some would say this is interdimensional. In a sense, that's true and false, but we don't have time to go into that. But where it shifts over into a phase or form of energy that's closer to what used to be called the etheric, and it is no longer "solid" in a three dimensional way. It has shifted totally in the way it is functioning in a quantum way. Interestingly, I have a witness, if you look at the Disclosure book - it's just called "Disclosure" and you can get it on our website - one of the military guys who was at the Toronto Air Station back in the fifties personally was at an experiment where through this type of electronics, they took a solid object, I believe it was a glass ashtray, if I remember correctly, dematerialized it - that sounds like right out of Star Trek - and re-materialized it in another room and did this back and forth with electronics that they had figured out in 1953, before I was born. So, what people need to understand is that that is real. That is not fictitious or fanciful. So, the means to do this - and of course many people would say "Well, you know, Dr. Greer, well, if we have that, why are we still drivin' around with cars?" Well, this gets into the whole discussion of what, where we were before, about how things are controlled and metered and what have you. But, in terms of what is physically possible and what's been scientifically done, this type of phenomenon allows for an object to literally "dematerialize then re-materialize." Well, where is it between one point in space and another? It's in a form -you guys were talking about ghosts earlier in your lead-in...

GN: Yeah.

SG: It's in a form that closely approximates what the mystics used to call astral or etheric energy, but it's scientific and so these craft, like that huge triangle in Belgium that collapsed into this sort of plasma like light and then just vanished off into space, you're dealing with a physics that "ain't your Granddad's oldsmobile" and it certainly isn't just electrons or things that are going at the speed of light or anything subluminal. These are things that go beyond this crossing point of light where the entire sort of curvelinear universe is altered and you get into what I call a non-local universe. By the way, this is also why UFO phenomena and extraterrestrial technologies interface so seamlessly with consciousness, the dreamstate, and I'll tell you something that I found from an insider. Dreamland, this area out at the Nellis Range out in Area 51, was named that because the technologies they're playing around with that will cause you, if you're in one of these devices to be in a form where you feel like you're having one of these out of body experiences, or a lucid dream, which is really sort of an etheric or astral body activation when you have these lucid, clear dreams. So, these technologies cross over into areas that have usually been relegated into the realm of the mystic or the mythological but in actuality, it's a very specific science and that's what we're talking about when we talk about superluminal, or faster than the speed of light, extraterrestrial or human experimental technologies.

GN: You know, they shut Tesla down, too, didn't they?

SG: Of course. Oh, absolutely. I have no doubt he was murdered and most of his really sensitive papers, I understand from insiders, were confiscated.

GN: Yeah, they raided his office and his home.

SG: Yes, and they were never fully returned, because I have dealt with people who were involved with that, actually, and way back, and it apparently, the really key information that he had developed and which had been suppressed during his lifetime was confiscated and was never seen again.

GN: Sad. Wild Card Line, welcome to Coast to Coast. You're on with us. Hi there.

Caller [male]: Hey, how you guys doing?

GN: We are all well. Go ahead.

Caller: Great. One - two things. I have seen one of them big huge triangle UFOs about six years ago on South Beach in Miami [Florida].

GN: On South Beach?

Caller: Yeah. Have you ever been to South Beach?

GN: Oh, lots!

SG: Yeah, I go there all the time. I'm a party animal. You kidding? Fun!

Caller: I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't do any of that stuff.

SG: I don't either, but you still have a good time. Yeah.

Caller: Yeah. I've had a great time there.

SG: I tell you, I'm the wildest guy you'll ever meet if you go out with me, but that's another discussion...

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Caller: Right.

GN: That's another lie detector test, Steven. No, I'm kidding. Go ahead.

Caller: I'm hanging out with this girl, so I had a witness, and we're there talking and getting to know each other and if you look up, you can't see too many stars because of the city lights and such, but we could see some stars and from the left to the right, this thing flew across the sky and it had a blur around it like on the television, how the blur out profanity...

SG: Right.

Caller: This blur was around this triangle and if a commercial jet flies at sixty thousand - or thirty thousand feet - going from Canada to Mexico, that's pretty high. This thing was twice as high as that and just huge, and I point and I say, "Oh, my God!" and she says, "Look at that!" and we both saw it and she was like, "You were in the Navy, what was that?" I'm like, "I have no idea!"

SG: Right. Yes, these have been reported actually down in that area and I have a friend who is in Santa Barbara who has actually filmed a number of them moving along the channel, the Santa Barbara Channel, out there in the Pacific. We have been out on expeditions where a non-illuminated craft, like you're describing, as it moves ove, simply is darker than the sky, actually, and blackens out the sky as it moves across and I have a witness, one of our aircraft witnesses, who's actually a commercial 747 pilot, who encountered one of these, also, out over the Atlantic, but further south toward Brazil, moving at enormous speed and actually went underneath the jet and lifted the 747 up just briefly, sort of like a little hiccup as you're going along and this is a very serious case involving a senior 747 captain for a major airline. So, those have been seen and they can be enormous and move at tremendous velocities and make all kinds of right hand turns and what have you, at thousands of miles per hour. I'll also point out that when they're right at the point that is at this what I call Crossing Point phenomenon where it's not quite here but not quite there either in terms of its resonance, they take on a plasma and etheric quality and the edges of them do become very blurry and quite amorphous, almost mirage like. I know that Colonel Corso described that in one of the craft that he saw out there at Holloman Air Force Base, where in fact it would be solid and then it would disappear and there'd just almost be like a heat wave distortion in the air and the space around where it was and then it would re-materialize again. So, you're dealing with technologies that do these sort of things and it's really quite fascinating. Now, I don't pretend to understand all the physics. Like I said, I'm a country doctor here in Virginia and I certainly don't have a physics degree, but I have guys I'm working with who do understand this and have explained it to me so I can at least articulate it in layman's terms, but I'm not expert on the physics behind these things.

GN: Steven, if you were to get one wish granted, albeit finding that alternative energy or zero point source, or getting full government disclosure, for example, on UFOs and ETs, which of the two would you pick? Which one?

SG: Either one will do, and I'll tell you why. People have asked me this for years because they can't quite figure out how, enigmatically, I have moved between these two areas. If there is an honest disclosure of the UFO issue, that will have to entail the coming out of people who know about the physics behind the propulsion systems and everyone's going to then say, "What do we know about it?" When that's asked honestly, it will be answered and when that's answered, we'll have the new energy thing. On the other hand, if we can find an energy system, and I was meeting with a member of the House National Security Committee last summer and he said, "You know, if you can get a human inventor who understands this, it would prove the physics and the energy access systems (as it were, why I call my company Space Energy Access Systems) that would prove, then, the physics behind these enigmatic aerial phenomena called UFOs and what have you." So, the one will lead to the other, you see. But at this point, we critically need, not only disclosure of the truth on the UFO issue and a coming clean of these very rogue and illegal cabals that are running this system into the ground, but we've got to bring the actual physical sciences out. We need to start that process because remember, if we identify (and I hope someone out there listening is a serious inventor that has something that they can share with us to try to get out to the public before it's too late) but if we can do that, it will cause many things to be empowered, including the disclosure of the UFO matter. So, the one will help the other and at this point, I'd be happy with either. But I see ourselves as a civilization in critical need of serious solutions for energy generation, the geopolitical situation and the environment, and so it's a very practical issue, and that's why, as I mentioned, after 9-11, we shifted our focus, not exclusively by any means, but heavily towards identifying these types of energy systems.

GN: I tell you what, you may find that individual inventor, Steven, who develops a small unit, let's say for one's house, and then without any backing, he probably will be able to start selling these to homes and all of a sudden, it'll be hopefully, too late to stop him.

SG: Well, that's what we want to help somebody do, because we have a team of really wonderful people, not only scientists, but people in many circles. I mean, I was meeting with a member of Congress earlier this year for a couple of hours and I think that what we can do is open the door to not only the public, but to the friendly people in our government. Don't think at all that the government are all a bunch of bad guys. 99.9% of people are just trying to do their job. They're not involved in these kind of secret projects and they would love to see this kind of solution and we have built bridges to all those good people who are out there and that's what we want to do is bring these technologies across that bridge and get the support they deserve.

GN: Very good. Dr. Steven Greer. Thank you, Steven. Two websites, and[closing credits and remarks]... I'm George Noory somewhere out there on Coast to Coast A.M. I'll see you on our next edition. Until then, Be Safe, Everyone.

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