Transcript of Dr. Steven Greer's Interview
George Noory (GN): His name is Dr. Steven Greer, and a long time ago he developed the Disclosure Project, a not for profit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and also classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. He has devoted his time and his life to this project. In a moment, Dr. Steven Greer...
GN: Dr. Steven Greer is the founder and CEO of Space Energy Access Systems and also the founder and director of the Disclosure Project. He is an emergency physician and former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital. Dr. Greer is a lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honors society. He's appeared on several national programs, of course including Coast to Coast, and also the Larry King Show, CBS, the BBC and NTV in Japan. Dr. Greer has been supervising a worldwide search for alternative energy sources, specifically those known as zero point or over unity devices with the plan to identify and develop systems which will eliminate the need for fossil fuels, and I hope he's successful. We're going to talk about several things tonight with Dr. Steven Greer - of course, his Disclosure Project, and of course SeasPower.com, the company that he is heading up. So welcome to Coast to Coast. Steven, how are you, my friend? Good to talk with you again.
Steven Greer (SG): Good to hear from you. Thank you, it's good to be here.
GN: I wanted to ask you this, Steven, if we can. Let's just go back just a little bit for a moment.
GN: When you developed the Disclosure Project and you started to put together the people and the puzzle to try to at least get the government to reveal to us some more information, what happened in your life to do that? I mean, here you are a doctor, a medical doctor. All of a sudden, you're involved in this project. What happened? How did that happen?
SG: Well, it was evolved over many years as a young kid. Actually, when I was eight or nine years old, I saw one of these UFOs not far from where I was - where I grew up in Charlotte, North Carolina and this coincided with the time when my uncle, my mom's oldest brother, was a senior project engineer for the Lunar Module. He helped design the Lunar Module that took Neil Armstrong to the moon. So as a young man I became, of course, very interested not only in space, but these unusual things that people call UFOs and that became a lifelong interest. Back in 1990, some things happened where I had another sighting of these objects and began to look into it again and concluded that not only were they real, which of course I always knew they were, but that it was time for us to do two things. One, we started the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (or CSETI), and a project of which is the Disclosure Project, and we had two purposes. One was to go out and begin to look all over the world where these objects were being reported and attempt to make contact with the objects or signal to them and we did this and this very quickly got the attention of people like the head of Army Intelligence and friends of the U.S. President and the CIA director and other people because, even though a lot of people thought that this was implausible, what had happened is that we succeeded in basically uncovering a bit of the "rosetta stone", if you will, of how to contact and communicate with these objects. So from 1990 to 1993 when we launched that project of contact and research in real time all over the world, what evolved from that was a network of people who came to us who said "You're on the right track, but more than that, here's what's already being done in ultra secret and in fact, illegally managed covert projects." At first I thought this was not terribly plausible until first a few of these goverment/military insiders became a dozen and then forty, and then over a hundred by 2001, and now around 450 to 500, and they keep being identified on a weekly basis. In fact, I'm going to share with your listeners tonight some new information from some of these people who have come forward from the aerospace industry that my uncle was involved with for his entire career. So, little by little, as it were, from age eight until age forty-nine, which is what I am now [both laugh], this whole matter became something of tremendous consuming interest and so much so, of course, that by 1993 and '94, I was doing briefings for President Clinton's CIA director and his senior people, and the folks at the Pentagon who wanted to know about a lot of these projects that were being managed and that were looking into this whole area of aerospace technology and advanced propulsion and energy systems and reconnaissance of extraterrestrial vehicles (or ETVs which is actually what they're called in those circles) but a lot of people, of course, initially couldn't believe it, and I didn't initially myself, that folks like the CIA director were flat out denied access to these sort of projects and that they were so compartmentalized and it was so Byzantine and so, quite frankly, rogue and illegal in how they were being managed but very senior members of our government were being blocked from knowing about it. So we had a group of people that became sort of ad hoc advisors and briefers, if I can use that word, for folks in the Congress and the Senate and I met with people in the Senate Intelligence Committee and people who - for example, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Head of Intelligence for the Joint Staff and many of these other sorts of senior positions. So it was really a long process, and where we are today is, we basically just have an enormous database of documents and insiders - whistleblowers, if you want to call them that.
SG: And it has now expanded to being able to identify specific corporations and individuals and institutions that are running these projects and who, quite frankly, and quite tragically are running the Ship of State into the iceberg. So, you know, we're trying to steer the Titanic away from that, but unfortunately, there are some people who are just hell bent on the current course we're on and we can talk more about that later.
GN: Did you sense a frustration with some of these heads of departments, for example, Steven, who were not given the access that they probably thought they were entitled to? I mean, were they frustrated?
SG: Well, of course, I mean, and here I am an emergency trauma physician in his thirties sitting with a CIA director, a current CIA director, who is virtually in tears by the end of this three hour meeting because he's saying to me that "Well, we would like to have this information disclosed, and the President is interested and we're interested, but how do we disclose what we don't have access to?" I'll give you a 'for example'. Back in 1997, we got together quite a few members of Congress and senior staffers and brought in about a dozen of these military and intelligence witnesses that we had identified (and the people can go on our website DisclosureProject.org and see a lot of that testimony and get it) and basically, I went over after this one meeting with all the Congressmen the next day and ended up briefing an admiral who was head of the J-2 position, the head of Intelligence Joint Chiefs of Staff and prior to the meeting (and this is a very interesting little bit of detail) I had given this man, through my military advisor and our points of contact to him, code numbers and code names of specific projects that were current dealing with this subject (and we have them) and of course, he took them and he made inquiries, and sure enough, he hit one of these highly compartmentalized and very shadowy operations and, of course, at that point they couldn't deny their existence -
SG: - and they turned to the admiral and said "Well, Sir, you don't have a need to know." and he said "What do you mean, I don't have a need to know, I'm the Head of Intelligence for the Joint Staff!" Now, I'm sitting there, this is being directly related to me by someone at that level and I'm sitting at the Pentagon. So, it turned my life, quite frankly, upside down and it's extraordinary, but what I learned from it is that the assumptions that people make when they say "the government" is hiding this from us, well, it's true there are highly classified and illegally run cells, if you want to call them, or compartmentalized projects that deal with this. But 99% of the people at the Pentagon or the Agency or the NSA have no knowledge of this subject and, in fact, they're more likely to listen to this show to find out what's going on than in any other way, quite frankly. And tragically this extends all the way up to the level of the presidency and to senior members of congress who are supposed to know. Now, at this point in history - and this of course has evolved from the 1940's to the present day - the real action is really both transnational and corporate. Really, the big action is in operations at Lockheed and Northrup, contractors for these big covert projects, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) and people I know who are on their Board, and who've been involved in those projects. So there are large, multi-billion dollar operations dealing with this subject but they're very very shadowy and very hard to unravel. In 1994, I was meeting with Senator Byrd of West Virginia's chief counsel and attorney who had a top secret clearance and subpoena power and I had a private meeting with him at the Senate Appropriations Committee meeting room and he said "Look, this subject" (he knew it existed), he said, "but with a top secret clearance and subpoena, I have not been able to penetrate it." He said - and I'm quoting here...this man said, "You're dealing with the varsity team of all super secret projects. Good luck." [laughs]...and that's kind of how the meeting ended. So, that was January of '94 or February '94, so it's been quite a journey and I can say that it's been in turn frustrating for me, but also quite enlightening to learn how power is exercised, who has it and what's the agenda and this is really what we need to talk about. What is the agenda and how do the people who are listening to this show affect its outcome?
GN: That's right, and how can we change it before it's too late? You know these four hundred plus government, military and intelligence witnesses who have continued to help feed you information have got to be heroes, I would guess. Don't you think?
SG: They are and I tell people - if they get on our website DisclosureProject.org, and see these guys... I had a filmmaker and a media person in London contact me last week who said he had no idea this sort of evidence and this sort of smoking gun and "deep throat" whistleblower sort of testimony existed on this and he was just completely - well, he was British, so he said he was "gob smacked". I laughed and I said, "Well, we're trying to move that out as best we can and we continue to reach folks that, for example, ABC News is doing a special on this that's going to air in February, as you know, but the main thing is that the people who are listening to shows like this, the millions of people, need to understand there's action they can take to help that process and if we don't act, as it says, the old adage is the only thing that allows for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing, and all we have to do is look back to World War II and the rise of Hitler and all that to see that that is very true. So people do need to take responsibility and we do need to protect our democracy. Eisenhower, who is one of my heroes - I mean, he was of course, a conservative Republican and I'm a very non-partisan person - but he very much hit the nail on the head when he said there is this military-industrial complex that will erode our security and will be a threat to our democracy if we're not vigilant. And, of course as you know, one of our witnesses was an aide to President Eisenhower - Brigadier General Lovekin, who is an attorney in North Carolina and is one of our witnesses, and he was a young man at the time in 1959-1960 and he personally saw the U.S. President getting UFO reports, handling some of the information, but also saw that he was specifically (and this was a five star general and a conservative Republican president) being lied to and being blocked and denied into these corporate projects that had the technologies and were running with them and he was very frustrated and you know, so this is a dysfunctional situation that goes all the way back at least into the 1950's.
GN: See, they knew these - these I think multinational corporations - they knew these presidents would come and go...
SG: Of course!
GN: ...every four to eight years and that they're the ones that wanted to sustain themselves for a very long time.
SG: That's right, and just like a CIA director comes and goes every two to six years, or the Chairman of the Joint Staff or - I personally sat at the Pentagon with the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Now I have witnesses inside that agency, the DIA, who have handled sensitive material related to this subject, yet when the general in charge of that agency made inquiries, the only thing he got - now I'm not kidding - I'm sitting here at the Pentagon with my military advisor and the general gets up and walks over to his bookcase and takes a little ET doll off the bookcase and brings it over. He says, "This, Dr. Greer is all I've ever gotten out of my inquiries into this subject. I've gotten nothing but laughter and ridicule." And this is a man who is the general in charge of the Defense Intelligence Agency at the time. So, and yet, I'm giving him documents and testimony from the DIA. So the whole thing is -- to use the word dysfunctional is an enormous understatement, quite frankly.
GN: Well, and the people you had involved, for example, in that May 9, 2001 Press Conference, unfortunately, because of the tragedy of 9-11, it took some of the thunder away, but I think you're now regrouping, Steven, and the momentum is going to start again, but these are real people! They're not Hollywood actors! I mean, they're out there, they're government people, military people who decided, "You know what? I'm not going to suppress this anymore," and they went forward.
SG: That's right, and these are all people that we have their DD-214's, (their discharge forms) we have multiple corroboration of their presence at places, many of the categories of events, we have multiple witnesses and documents to corroborate what happened, so, when people say, "Where is the smoking gun? Where is the evidence" I say, "Well, we have it. Can you read English?" I said that once to a scientist and he laughed. I said, "Well if you can read English, we have it, and if you can't at least it's now been translated." The whole Disclosure transcript book that we have, which is nearly six hundred pages, has now been translated into French and is being distributed throughout the country of France right now. But I tell you, on our website, DisclosureProject.org, people can see this two hour Press Conference, but also, you can get either a one hour or two hour or four hour videotape of all these military witnesses. By the way, these are not people with a fuzzy blob over their face with a fake name. They're shown name, rank and serial number, the whole nine yards.
GN: The real McCoys.
SG: It isn't one or two of them, it's dozens and dozens and dozens of them.
GN: And they keep coming, and so, are they still coming? Are you getting new people who want to disclose?
SG: Yes. In fact, in the last week, we have had several, one of whom is an important aerospace top secret Lockheed contractor and I am going to share with you verbatim what he has shared with us, and I'm going to ask for other people to come out to corroborate what I'm going to share. It's a very important bit of information.
GN: When we make the switch at the half here, Steven, and then we'll come back and talk about that. What took some of them so long? I mean, here we are, you had this major Disclosure Project in 2001, you're still getting more and more people. What's getting them to realize, "I'm going to go public"?
SG: Well, there are many issues. Number One, I think the biggest one was that there was a leadership vacuum. These were people who didn't know each other for the most part - they were isolated. They needed, in a sense, a support structure and that's what we created, and I sort of created the leadership to do it, but they're the ones who really stuck their necks out. I mean, I tell people, I'm just a country doctor here in Virginia who got involved with this. But these guys who had, and have in many cases, top secret clearances, really needed the support and when there became this critical mass of a few of them, then dozens of them and then, four or five hundred of them, they felt safe to do it. They felt they wouldn't be ridiculed and they trusted us not to mesh in a whole bunch of speculative, crazy stuff, that we kept it very oriented toward the testimony, the documents, the evidence and that was our agreement with them and they trusted us to do it.
GN: What I have liked about you, Steven, in the years that I heard you even talking with Art Bell, was this no-nonsense approach that you have taken to this very serious subject, and I think it is so important now that that approach comes forward and you know, we'll do as much as we can for you here on this program to do that.
SG: We appreciate your help.
GN: Dr. Steven Greer, our guest, will be back in a moment. We'll talk more about some of these new Disclosure witnesses. Just mentioned an aerospace contractor. Let's chat with him about that when we come right back on Coast to Coast A.M.
GN: ...And welcome back to Coast to Coast. I'm George Noory with our guest tonight, Dr. Steven Greer. Steven, you were talking to us about an aerospace contractor who I assume has come to you, then, very very soon in this Disclosure Pproject or was it much later?
SG: No, this has all been in the last week.
GN: Just the last week?
SG: Right, which is why I feel it's important to share, and he specifically wanted me to share it because it's a time-sensitive and evolving situation and you'll see why in a moment. So I think it's important for people to hear this, and I think others listening know. Remember one of the ways that we've been able to corroborate things is that we will go out to the public on a show like this and say, "Look, if there are other people who know about this event or this project, please contact me personally through DisclosureProject.org, our website, and we will, of course, work with you in whatever way we can. And so it's important that this kind of networking happens. This is really - it's very grassroots. I mean, it's not as if somehow we've waved a magic wand and all this happened. It's really a lot of hard work and networking and we rely on the public and people out there listening who are concerned and interested in this issue to make this happen and that's really how it has happened. Really.
GN: Absolutely, and again, DisclosureProject.org is the way to get back to you, right?
GN: Okay, now, this person, this individual, how did he come to you?
SG: Well, he approached us actually through the website and then we've gone back and forth and communicated with him and he is a guy who is with Lockheed Martin and - do you want me to just share what he told us?
GN: Absolutely, Steven.
SG: It is really quite good. He said it better than I could. It's interesting because in one of the follow-on conversations that we had, he said, "We're watching this project (meaning the Disclosure Project) with great interest, and may elect to reveal more identities later. I am very new to this sort of thing. Before a few weeks ago, I was pretty certain UFOs did not exist as bona fide extraterrestrials and thought people who came forward were 'touched'." [chuckles] Now he doesn't take it so lightly. It's very interesting because of the project that he has now gotten intelligence on, so this man is a career aerospace guy, like my uncle was. And what he says is (I'll just share this with you), he says, "A part of me is deathly afraid to come forward with this information, but I feel it is my patriotic duty to do so. I have spent a great deal of my professional career with Lockheed Martin, including an extended period at the facility in Marietta, Georgia. Much of my work is classified and I categorically will not divulge my identity publicly at this time. I am too concerned for the safety of my family and those of my colleagues." Which is understandable of course. [continuing to read] "As you may know, Lockheed Martin has been involved in multiple stages of the Cassini mission to Saturn. Images from the craft are processed and analyzed at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, which is where my main contacts are located. To get right to the point, some of these images have revealed the presence of not one, but several large "craft" of non-terrestrial origin. The sketch has been directly observed by" [the people he works with. I don't want to name them] "The angles present on the "craft" are such that would not generally occur in nature and therefore it is clear they are not asteroids or other debris caught in the gravitational pull of the planet...." Listen to the description - it's fascinating! The objects are "ridged saucers, classic flying saucer shapes with several spoked ridges radiating from the center to create a near prismatic shape. Seen from above, they have a shape somewhat like a spider's orb web. What I refer to as spokes do not appear to be separate structures, but are formed from the skin of the craft: the description is as if it is like a bat's wing. If you can imagine the skin of a bat covering the fingers that give structure to the wings..."
GN: And that's a good analogy too, because you get a picture of it [in your mind]
SG: It's very interesting. It's an excellent description. [continuing to read] "The photos are clear. I do not know much more about these objects or craft, except their presence was not entirely unexpected [this is very interesting] and that they have not caused any particular alarm in the various agencies. But the suppression of the images was followed as a matter of due course." So anyway, and it goes on. I don't want to take a lot of time because I think it's not polite to read, but that gives an idea of the sort of intelligence. Now this is an ongoing thing that's just been imaged and there is something that's out on the web now that's a Cassini image that is pretty certain to be an artifact. This, however, what he's describing, is clearly artificial structures moving there. Now, it's interesting because he says this was not unexpected, and what I point out to people is that that's because ever since we've been sending anything up into space, we have been encountering these objects, including the lunar landings.
GN: Well, they're following us, aren't they?
SG: Yes, and they, of course, they're watching everything that we're doing as a civilization. Obviously, they're concerned about, in my opinion, the development of weapons in space, the development of weapons of mass destruction and a civilization that is still killing millions of our own people in warfare going out into space at this stage of our social and, if you will, spiritual evolution. But at any rate, the fact that, of course, he stumbled across this fairly new -- he wasn't someone who was involved in this sort of thing until very recently. But it was interesting he picked up on the fact that it was not unexpected that they would encounter it, which of course, is what I would expect having now, many many different witnesses from various agencies and corporations who have corroborated encounters with these objects, not only in near-Earth orbit, but also near the moon, Mars, and some of the outer planets during reconnaissance and space probes and what have you.
GN: And, what he says, even though this information is new about Cassini and Saturn, what he says is not unlike, then, what some of these other witnesses have told you in the past.
SG: Exactly. It's an identical and corroborative pattern and I think that it only makes sense, of course, that that would be the case. For example, we have a couple of witnesses who were involved in the Lunar orbiter. Of course, this is the mapping and the probes we sent up to the moon before we actually landed in July of 1969, and one of our witnesses was at Langley where there was a secret facility run by the National Security Agency at the time, that had a multinational staffing, but super-secret, where they were taking images and sequestering them that had - were showing - objects and artificial structures already on the moon and these were lunar orbiter pictures back in the mid-sixties before we landed in '69. So - and it was processed, it was very routine, and this witness we have was in there and saw this and worked with a man who pulled out these enormous pictures that he was working on and processing and showed him these structures. So, of course, that witness is in the Disclosure book and in the videos that people can see at DisclosureProject.org, but the way that was handled and the way this man now, of course, years later (I mean, we're talking forty years later) is describing this is very, very, very similar.
GN: How were you able, because he hasn't disclosed who he is and I can understand that -
SG: Oh, he has. We do know that.
GN: Oh, you do know who he is, you just can't tell us.
GN: Okay, well, that's good because I was going to say, you feel he is authentic then.
SG: Oh, yes, and there's no doubt about that and - but what he's wanting us to do and the reason I'm sharing this is that there are other people who I'm sure have knowledge of this and similar handling of the subject that we would like to come forward and approach us, and I invite people to do that and to let us know if they have further information on this and related matters.