Excerpts from the transcript of Dr. Steven Greer's Interview
on Coast to Coast AM Radio with George Noory

January 30/31 2003

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SG (Steven Greer): … we have formed a group called Space Energy Access Systems, which is a company that is in the process of identifying and testing technologies, machines, devices that claim to - put simply - put out more energy and electric power than we have to put into it, which of course, supposedly cannot be done, but in fact it can be. The reason I'm speaking with you tonight is that we have apparently - and I'm going to qualify my words very carefully here - found such a device.

SG: But it appears that we have found such a "Holy Grail"-type device, …. My scientific advisor and the Board of Directors of this group … have recently done an onsite inspection and testing of this system and I can tell you that, …, this is the most astounding material object I've ever seen in my life. And that's saying something.


The reason I am speaking about this at this very early stage of its discovery is that the millions of people listening tonight are our protection. Those of you who are listening to this should tell everyone they know that this is coming down the path. It is our intention to protect this system, get it tested, get it perfected, get it out to the public and terminate the need for gas and oil and coal and start an entirely new sustainable civilization on this planet, that is long overdue. It could have happened probably fifty years ago or more. But it's now time for us to do it as a people.

If the testing and development of this holds up, it will be the single most important scientific breakthrough in the history - the recorded history - of the human race, and that is not an overstatement.

{Device description}

Let me describe what I saw, if you have a moment.

It's not very big at all. I picked it up - you can pick it up with one hand. Took it out actually on a sidewalk. This device gathered, very passively, less than one watt of power from the environment - I won't say how it was done, I'm not allowed to at this point - and the machine started up. It generated hundreds of watts of power in usable form. We hooked this up ourselves, so there was no mystery about it. We even selected the things to hook up to this thing. It ran a 300-watt light bulb, a 100-watt light bulb, a stereo and an oscillating fan with an electric motor, all at the same time with literally no artificial manmade input of power. So, this is of course an extraordinary scientific breakthrough. The inventor certainly deserves to get the next Nobel prize, or the one that would be awarded after this is fully tested by the scientific community, if indeed what we see holds up.

There were no hidden power sources. And this is something obviously which could put in every home, in every car and every industry and would enable the world to leave the era of want and war and enter an era of abundance and peace for as long as we want to create it. … We have heard of these things coming and going in the time of Tesla, in the time of Floyd Sweet, in the time of T. Henry Moray, and others, but to actually stand in the presence of a man who could build such a circuit and see it run was amazing. If I had to go to my grave tomorrow, at least I would know that such a thing is possible, which shines an enormous ray of hope into the world of humanity as we apparently march off to the next oil war.

…However, this is preliminary. …- we have an agreement with the inventor to have a more robust version of this device made in the coming month or two. It will then go through further research and development and reproduceability studies, meaning we must be able to independently reproduce the effects. It will then be tested at least three independent government and university labs which we have already pre-selected for their honesty and cooperation, and when all those ducks are lined up and we are certain of what we have, it will then be massively disclosed to the world in what has to be regarded as one of the most important scientific announcements in our time.

Well, this is why I'm talking to you. …I wanted to be very very clear that this information got out as soon as possible because I have to tell you that this is the sort of thing that people have unfortunately in the past been absorbed into operations where these technologies have been suppressed. People have been murdered, people have been imprisoned, people have had these things bought out only to sit on the black shelf at a major corporation.

That is not a conspiracy theory. We can prove this in a court of law that this has happened over and over again. And the reason that we are moving quickly to let the world know that this exists is that the ultimate shield against that happening is two things: Number one - my absolute assurance that I will take a bullet before I will let this be suppressed, and number two - that there is no amount of money, that you cannot put enough zeros after a one, to buy us out and keep this thing from getting out to the public. In addition to that, the public needs to understand if anything is to happen to this project that is a suppressive effort, that they should absolutely, if they have to, march in the streets to see that it is released again. There is no time for this nonsense, where these sorts of inventions have been suppressed and where humanity has been left basically in a state of downward spiral of poverty and pollution and what have you. We simply have to reverse that trend.

And of course, you're taking on a five trillion dollar global energy and utility and transportation sector that deals with fossil fuels. But it is really time for that era to close and for another era to open. Even as the President said in his State of the Union address after 9-11, it is a National Security imperative that we become energy independent.

There's no question that the situation we're facing around the world today and the vulnerability of so many nations is related to our unnecessary addiction and dependence on fossil fuels - oil, coal, things of this sort. …. But I have to tell you, the other important thing - and anyone technical listening to this will know what I'm talking about - we have seen in the last few years a number of devices that looked very promising, but they don't put out energy in a form that's usable. This thing, if you can imagine as I've described it operating, put out energy at 60 hertz, 110 volts, correct amperage, ran whatever we wanted to plug into it and did so for as long as we left it to do so. Now this is something which, in all my experience going all over the world studying this, I have never witnessed anything like this!


SG: … I have to tell you that I felt like we were walking through history as we saw this machine functioning. Imagine having free energy so that you could desalinate all the water you need to for agriculture and for returning these vast areas of the Earth that have become desert to their original condition. Imagine being able to manufacture things with no cost for the energy component, no fuel costs. Imagine the poverty that could be eliminated and the disease and suffering. Most death and suffering into the world is because basic sanitation, clean water, refrigeration, etc., is not available. This can change all that without building multi-billion dollar power plants with transmission lines. Imagine civilizations that do not have electrification now. Just like people went from having no land line phones to having cell phones, they could go from having no power lines to having these devices in their villages and their areas where they could then have a growing level of prosperity and abundance. All the studies have shown that when civilizations move into greater abundance, and with that greater educational opportunity, that the birth rates go down remarkably from ten or eleven per woman down to two or three. So the Malthusian dilemma of all these teeming large populations and poverty could be corrected….. In addition, we know that all manufacturing effluent is largely related to the high cost of energy. We have had -- Buckminster Fuller and Archibald MacLeash told me back many years ago in the early seventies, that we already have the technology to scrub to zero pollution all the manufacturing processes, but they use so darn much electricity that it became a point of diminishing return because the energy sources we were using were polluting.

So, In this case, where the energy source is clean and non-polluting and free, you could scrub everything to completely and virtually no pollution into the environment. So you're talking about the ability to literally transform the way humans live on the Earth and therefore lay a real foundation for living together peacefully …

SG: These are the sorts of implications of this technology. Of course, as people say, there will be winners and losers. Well, 99.999 % of humanity will be the winners. The Earth will be the winner. Our children's children's children will be the winners. Now there are people who have very key interests in the fossil fuel area and this is not to be trivialized. But I think that our goal is to do this in a way that would protect and empower those segments by having them have some kind of a cushion as these technologies are phased in and the old smokestack technologies are phased out. This can certainly be done if we're wise about it and if the current holders of the existing technologies are wise in allowing the transition to happen in an orderly fashion.

{Implications for Hydrogen cars}

George Noory (GN): …My question two-fold is will your zero point energy concept - would that work directly in automobiles or could you use it to create the electricity to make the hydrogen for the cars?

SG: Well, the answer is both. In other words, you already have two hundred million cars on the road in America, and six hundred and some million in the world. Those are using oil and gas. The ideal thing to do initially - because most people are not going to yank the engine out of their car and buy a multi-thousand dollar engine. - ..you want to is use this free energy to have a way of cracking the hydrogen off of water and then have that hydrogen run the cars. I have just met with an inventor who has a fuel injector that you can screw into where your spark plug goes and the car will run on hydrogen! So this technology would allow what the President called for to be feasible. So the existing internal combustion cars and trucks could be converted to clean burning hydrogen until such time that all the cars that are made come out with a purely electric propulsion system that would be running off of this generator….

{Description of Quantum Energy}

GN: Zero Point energy results from the principals of quantum mechanics, which has to do with the physics of subatomic phenomena. Would you explain that for us so that most of us can understand just what we're talking about here?

SG: Well, as I understand it, if you look at the space around us - not outer space, just the space in the room where you're sitting -that space and the structure of space and the fundamental level at which matter and energy exists is fluxing out of some very potent field of energy. That's in some type of homeostasis. And what these technologies do is that they perturb the homeostasis enough to tap into that baseline energy or that energy that's in the quantum vacuum, some would call it, that's around us. Matter and energy are fluxing in and out of this field and can tap into it. It's almost like pulling energy out of a reservoir of energy that's there all the time but isn't in a form that can actually be used. What these systems do is tap into that energy and in the case of the device that we saw, actually converts it into usable, controlled energy on demand, …

There's such an enormous body of information on this. There's a new book that Dr. Tom Bearden has put out that's almost encyclopedic.

{Proposed Timeline}

GN: Now realistically, Steven, if you had no obstacles, …when do you think you might be able to get something like this to market, or at least to a practical test phase?

SG: A practical test phase - we're shooting for two to three months, and out to then a manufacturable prototype after the test phase, perhaps a year or so, and then after that to market. We hope that by the first quarter or mid-2004 these can be made available. Now, of course, we don't know what we're going to encounter and when you get into these sort of engineering issues you may run into all kinds of disappointments and so I'm speculating here, but this is our intention. There are many applications for this. Imagine if you had a power up system for satellites so that you didn't have them failing in their power or having solar panels that had micro-meteorites damaging them, you could extend the life of satellites and save an enormous amount of money. This type of power system eventually could be in every appliance so that every appliance wouldn't even need to be plugged in. Eventually you could have construction so homes wouldn't even have wiring. Every lamp and every appliance could have its own power source. This thing is efficient and miniaturizable, if there is such a word - so that you could do this and you would be able to have everything that is made have its own power source and it would completely change the way architecture and construction takes place… but our goal is to be able to do this at least in a generation one stable, usable system, certainly within a year to year and a half. I would like to think sooner, but knowing how things happen in the world, I think it could very well be that long or a bit longer. I would caution we don't want to take too much longer. We are going to be very aggressively capitalizing this, putting the funds into this, so that this can be done and we can collapse timeframes. Frankly, Tom Bearden and I were discussing this just before we were meeting the staff of the Senate Environment committee. He said that if these new technologies don't begin to roll off of the conveyor belt like sausages by around the first quarter of 2004 - given the fact that the biosphere is being so strained, given the geopolitical tensions, we may simply just be out of time. So, I think it's a stroke before midnight and we really need to make this project succeed. I hope that this technology holds up to the scrutiny. I can't say that at this point. I can say that the onsite testing was extremely promising and I'm hopeful that it will hold up to reproduceability studies and to the scientific analysis that our team requires, so that will be done in the next few months and we will hope for the best.

Space Energy Access Systems
PO Box 265
Crozet, VA 22932
Phone: 540-456-8302
Fax: 540-456-8303

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